RT Bit and Spur
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When do you use dots and when do you use find lines?
Rod
Rod
Another bulino question
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Phil Coggan
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Rod,
There's a few things to think of when engraving with dots.
First, to do a scene completely with dots is quite time consuming, it can take ten times as long as just lines, this will also reflect on the price.
Secondly, it is quite possible to produce lines with dots but cut lines are sharper.
I usually work with both lines and dots, i've shown an example with picture 1 & 2, picture 3 is the original painting which has been heavily 'Photoshop'd' to fit the plate.
By the way the scene is on the second 'Nelson' gun, this one is the Battle of the Nile.
There's a few things to think of when engraving with dots.
First, to do a scene completely with dots is quite time consuming, it can take ten times as long as just lines, this will also reflect on the price.
Secondly, it is quite possible to produce lines with dots but cut lines are sharper.
I usually work with both lines and dots, i've shown an example with picture 1 & 2, picture 3 is the original painting which has been heavily 'Photoshop'd' to fit the plate.
By the way the scene is on the second 'Nelson' gun, this one is the Battle of the Nile.
Tom Curran
Elite Cafe Member
Oh, my.
I now understand.
I also understand how much I don't know. Thanks, Phil. Perfect illustration.
I now understand.
I also understand how much I don't know. Thanks, Phil. Perfect illustration.
RT Bit and Spur
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Phil
WOW Thanks I can see where you used dots and lines. Don't think I will ever be that good but I see where got different effects from each.
Rod
WOW Thanks I can see where you used dots and lines. Don't think I will ever be that good but I see where got different effects from each.
Rod
Andrew Biggs
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That's coming along beautifully Phil.......just stunning.
It's interesting to note that most hand done bulino work is of a higher dpi than any printers available on the market!!
Cheers
Andrew
It's interesting to note that most hand done bulino work is of a higher dpi than any printers available on the market!!
Cheers
Andrew
Phil Coggan
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Thanks Andrew.
The dots in the sky are down to about 200 to the square mm. Of course it is possible to go much much finer than this but time X price then gets involved.
Phil
The dots in the sky are down to about 200 to the square mm. Of course it is possible to go much much finer than this but time X price then gets involved.
Phil
pilkguns
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Here's another naval theme with dots and lines, that I did 17 years ago, so it's only a scan of an old picture.
Roger Bleile
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Phil,
It amazes me that the gunmaker of the Nelson gun has you do such magnificant scenes on lockplates with 9 pin holes instead of using pinless locks like some of the top Italian makers do. Since you are working the scene from pre-existing art and can't design around the holes, do you let the holes fall where they may or adjust the scene in photoshop to keep critical themes from being obliterated by a hole?
Roger
It amazes me that the gunmaker of the Nelson gun has you do such magnificant scenes on lockplates with 9 pin holes instead of using pinless locks like some of the top Italian makers do. Since you are working the scene from pre-existing art and can't design around the holes, do you let the holes fall where they may or adjust the scene in photoshop to keep critical themes from being obliterated by a hole?
Roger
Phil Coggan
~ Elite 1000 Member ~
Roger,
Peter made the first 'Nelson' without deciding what to do regarding the engraving. The second gun had to be simular to the first, so no pinless locks!
Having nine holes, including two big ones in the plates does restrict you quite considerably, the scene was extensively worked on in Photoshop, everything was moved around including the small boats. I'm taking pictures as I go along to show the process.
Phil
Peter made the first 'Nelson' without deciding what to do regarding the engraving. The second gun had to be simular to the first, so no pinless locks!
Having nine holes, including two big ones in the plates does restrict you quite considerably, the scene was extensively worked on in Photoshop, everything was moved around including the small boats. I'm taking pictures as I go along to show the process.
Phil
Dan Grubaugh
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Not trying to hijack this thread, but Scott, is that a "Pearl Harbor Theme" on the knife that you did? Beautifully done whatever the theme! And Phil, your work is also amazing! Always look forward to seeing what new project you are working on! Thanks for sharing Scott and Phil! Dan
pilkguns
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Yes Dan, that was Pearl Harbor theme knife done for the 50th Anniversary back in 91. It had a pink gold rising sun flag on the other side with a green gold Kate in the air above the Japanese carriers. It was one of my favorites. Unfortunatley those picture of the opposite side I have are pretty washed out and I have no idea where that knife is today
Scott, you've got to teach me how to do that! 
. Really-really like it.
Viljo
. Really-really like it.Viljo
Here's another naval theme with dots and lines, that I did 17 years ago, so it's only a scan of an old picture.
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