New iGraver tutorial - Running wheat border

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Arnaud could you tell me how you did lay-out of the running wheat on your ring? I could do it by hand but I'm hoping that if I have it in Photoshop (in a straight line) there is a way to form it into a oval and then transfer.
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Kevin P. said:
Arnaud could you tell me how you did lay-out of the running wheat on your ring? I could do it by hand but I'm hoping that if I have it in Photoshop (in a straight line) there is a way to form it into a oval and then transfer.
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Kevin, I did it by hand using a compass, first to draw the two circles for the border, than to divide the circle in equal parts with a fine line.
It is a compass that is used for metal work, so there is no pencil only two sharp needles.
That was all I needed, the rest of the leaves I just cut it without pencil lines as it is very small and I wanted to draw it directly with the graver, to see if I was able to do it.

Before I also have tried to make a pattern to transfer, but as you see it is not a straight border but a circle, it didn’t work so well.

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Arnaud Van Tilburgh said:
Kevin, I did it by hand using a compass, first to draw the two circles for the border, than to divide the circle in equal parts with a fine line.
It is a compass that is used for metal work, so there is no pencil only two sharp needles.

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Those are also known as "dividers". Starrett makes VERY fine ones as does Brown & Sharp.

Very handy for laying out lines.
 
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I would like to suggest a tool that I brought to last years engrave-in called a proportional divider. Big hit in the tool area there- Mine is made by K & E. one tool that every engraver needs for layout work. Saves a lot of time-Fred
 
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Thanks Arnaud. I already laid out the two ovals so I guess I'll just do the divisions by hand. Probably the simpler way.
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Fred, Any source for that proportional divider? And cost?
I didn't know K & E was still around. I think I still have one of their slide rules somewhere.
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Thanks Kevin, i didn't know the existing of such a tool.
I use the standard devider normaly used by stonesetters.
This one gives you the oppertunity to increase or decrease your scale??
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not only change scale but divide a line or circle into equally sized segments-set dial to ratio 2:1 measure with one side of divide other end either twice as big or half as big-set to 5:1 other end will be 5 time larger or divide a line into 5 equal parts great tool

when thinking about layout, drafting techniques are very useful as are graphic arts and printing techniques- Fred
 
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I have a set of proportional dividers that I bought on eBay a few months ago. Beautiful cased set for around $80 as I recall. I've not used them for engraving, but for drawing they can be quite handy.

It would be great to see a tutorial on how to use them for engraving applications.
 
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Fred do you know if they (proportional dividers) are available in metric?
I'm so used to using mm in jewelry and lapidary that I find the english system awkward, even though I use it in every other application.
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Hey Sam, I just previewed your new DVD. It arrived while I was on the road.
The graphics are really good and your cautions about certain procedures are very helpful for a novice like me.
It’s so good that I want to drop everything and try out some of procedures; but being a professional I’m going to first finish the work my customers paid me to do.
Which reminds me, the one suggestion I would like to make would be for you to tell how many hours you spend on each of these. For example if you did a double running leaf border on an entire ring how long did you spend to accomplish the job..

I want to do this on a ring and I think I’ll be able to with help from your new DVD. My point here is that I’m a jeweler and a beginning engraver. I don’t want to charge my customer by the hours it took me. I want to do it right which means I’ll spend more hours on the same task than you would.
I want to charge by the number of hours it takes a professional like yourself. I hope that I’ll get up to speed at some point; but I don’t want to charge for practice. I know there are variables according to location etc.; but the number of hours gives me a realistic benchmark. The number of dollars is not relevant but the number of hours is.
Another thing, your sculpting section solved a major problem for me. I’ve had a design for a broach sketched out for some time wondering how I would accomplish the work. I had in mind traditional chasing and repousse.
After watching the DVD I see that I can do it using gravers and those punches you made up. So much simpler!
Of course there’s many a slip between lip and . . . ; but I’m jazzed to give it a go. I’m going to do it in copper before I do it in 22K. It’s an oval shape with a center stone of amethyst that I cut from beautiful rough, and a double line border just right for a running leaf.
Talk about letting your mouth overload your (ex-service men can fill in here).
Kevin P.
 
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