didyoung
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thoughts are welcome
finished bracelet
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eastslope
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Shawn, I like that. Your turnbacks are great and you have a style all of your own. The cutting is coming along fast and has a good flow. I might have to come down and get some lessons from you. Thanks for sharing and it looks terrific! Seth
didyoung
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seth
you are much better than i am i would rather come and get lessons from you.............really.
thanks for the comments..........shawn:big grin:
you are much better than i am i would rather come and get lessons from you.............really.
thanks for the comments..........shawn:big grin:
Arnaud Van Tilburgh
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Young, this is my first time to have some comments on this sort of engraving.
The best would be when someone explains me the difference between this and the sort of engraving I try to do.
As far as I understand, this is Bright Cut.
The rules for design seems to be different, so I would like to understand the difference between this and "relief engraving" as that is what I think I try to make designs and engraving them.
So if this "style" is not "Bright cut style" perhaps it is "Western style" I don't know.
But I would like to know the difference
It is not a style I would like to design or engrave, but some info about it I would enjoy.
looks good to me, as you have a central flower, but for me it is not really tensive
arnaud
The best would be when someone explains me the difference between this and the sort of engraving I try to do.
As far as I understand, this is Bright Cut.
The rules for design seems to be different, so I would like to understand the difference between this and "relief engraving" as that is what I think I try to make designs and engraving them.
So if this "style" is not "Bright cut style" perhaps it is "Western style" I don't know.
But I would like to know the difference
It is not a style I would like to design or engrave, but some info about it I would enjoy.
looks good to me, as you have a central flower, but for me it is not really tensive
arnaud
didyoung
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i dont know what i should say????????
i used some bright cuts and a wriggled backbone. it is really just a practice plate.....thought it looked cool.
........i am just trying to find out what i can do.
thanks for the comments.
i used some bright cuts and a wriggled backbone. it is really just a practice plate.....thought it looked cool.
........i am just trying to find out what i can do.
thanks for the comments.
Arnaud Van Tilburgh
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I'm not saying it does not look good, sure it does.
I just can't give you any advice on this, as to me it looks like an other style than what I'm trying to do.
I have seen other bracelets in "this engraving style", just want to know about its origin or whatever.
I this style it seems that it does not mater if there is a balance between possitive and negative space, as there is no background, but I'm not sure
arnaud
I just can't give you any advice on this, as to me it looks like an other style than what I'm trying to do.
I have seen other bracelets in "this engraving style", just want to know about its origin or whatever.
I this style it seems that it does not mater if there is a balance between possitive and negative space, as there is no background, but I'm not sure
arnaud
Roger Bleile
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Arnaud,
Go to this page of the engraving glossary and scroll down to "Bright Cut/Western Bright Cut" and also click on the link within the definition. I think this will explain a lot.
http://www.engravingglossary.com/Hand Engraving Glossary B.htm
Roger
Go to this page of the engraving glossary and scroll down to "Bright Cut/Western Bright Cut" and also click on the link within the definition. I think this will explain a lot.
http://www.engravingglossary.com/Hand Engraving Glossary B.htm
Roger
Arnaud Van Tilburgh
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Thank you Roger, that explains a lot.
The glossary is great, also answering other questions to me.
I'm only active on this forum.
arnaud
The glossary is great, also answering other questions to me.
I'm only active on this forum.
arnaud
jr hoot gibson
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Arnaud
Look at the bright cuts as negative space, and the shading as veins in a leaf. The style is a progression of the type of engraving done originally in California by bit makers and spur makers in the mid to late 1800's.
The style was a wriggle cut and single point engraving. By todays standards it was rather crude, but collectors pay thousand's of dollars for bits and spurs from certain makers. Not unlike what some will pay for an old violin.
Hoot
Look at the bright cuts as negative space, and the shading as veins in a leaf. The style is a progression of the type of engraving done originally in California by bit makers and spur makers in the mid to late 1800's.
The style was a wriggle cut and single point engraving. By todays standards it was rather crude, but collectors pay thousand's of dollars for bits and spurs from certain makers. Not unlike what some will pay for an old violin.
Hoot
Jude
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Looks good. I don't know a lot about western but the design looks pretty solid to me. Seems to me that it would be fun to cut. Are you bending it flat or domed?
Jude
Jude
Arnaud Van Tilburgh
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Thanks Hoot, sure I like horses as we have some ourself.
As you say this type of engraving was done originally in California, by spur and bit makers, to me it also looks like Mexiacan silver engracings, some Spanish engravings, but also some engravings I have see on pictures from the east European countries (the Balkan) and Russia.
Perhaps this Californian style as its roots there?
As I have read in Roger' s engraving glossary, it is also done on banjo, My father had one that had this style of engraving, at least with wriggle cut.
arnaud
didyoung
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thanks
jude it will be domed as soon as the bracelet mandrel arrives from grs.............
jude it will be domed as soon as the bracelet mandrel arrives from grs.............
Willem Parel
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Hi Arnaud, I am also interrested in Bright Cut and I have just discovered the Fega site.
http://www.fega.com/prodserv/VideosSC.asp?dvdparam=DVD&categoryparam=video
They have a lot of very nice DVD's , books and cast's.
Perhaps it's something to keep in mind.
Willem
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diandwill
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Arnaud,
My favorite style of engraving is the traditional scroll work, and you are getting very good at that. However, I live in the western USA and there are a lot of cowboys here. There are a lot of people that like cowboy things everywhere else too. So it makes sense for me to do western bright cut engraving for that reason, but there is another reason that is just as important. It takes about 30 min or less, per square inch, to do quality Western bright cut engraving. That means that a 2 x 3 inch belt buckle will take only 2-3 hours. That means that I can sell a hand engraved, western style, bracelet or belt buckle for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a scroll engraved piece. If I do really fine shading or Bulino on the scroll piece, the difference becomes a lot greater!!!. I do western bright cut engraving because I can price it to sell!!!
My favorite style of engraving is the traditional scroll work, and you are getting very good at that. However, I live in the western USA and there are a lot of cowboys here. There are a lot of people that like cowboy things everywhere else too. So it makes sense for me to do western bright cut engraving for that reason, but there is another reason that is just as important. It takes about 30 min or less, per square inch, to do quality Western bright cut engraving. That means that a 2 x 3 inch belt buckle will take only 2-3 hours. That means that I can sell a hand engraved, western style, bracelet or belt buckle for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a scroll engraved piece. If I do really fine shading or Bulino on the scroll piece, the difference becomes a lot greater!!!. I do western bright cut engraving because I can price it to sell!!!
jr hoot gibson
Elite Cafe Member
Arnaud
You are right about the background of western engraving having its roots in Spain. The conquistidors brought the first horse tack to the Americas. The Spaniards were influenced by the Moorish occupation of Spain, as the Moors were known as excellent horsemen. I'm sure the same may be said about other European styles probably having the same roots way back
Hoot
You are right about the background of western engraving having its roots in Spain. The conquistidors brought the first horse tack to the Americas. The Spaniards were influenced by the Moorish occupation of Spain, as the Moors were known as excellent horsemen. I'm sure the same may be said about other European styles probably having the same roots way back
Hoot
didyoung
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a different bracelet
Karl Stubenvoll
Elite Cafe Member
I like the look of the engraving from what I can see. What will make future bracelets easier to sell will be to round off the corners of the sterling blank. The bracelet must flex to fit the wrist, and those sharp corners could be a bit painful while putting on or taking off.
Arnaud Van Tilburgh
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Thank you all explaining me this engraving style.
I was just interested in it as it looks very different from what I have learned.
Sure I can appreciate it, and when one can make a living with it, go for it.
But it is not the style I would like to be able to engrave properly.
Of course my opinion could change during time.
My goal at the moment is very clear to me, don't know if I can make a living with that, but I'm still alive, see what comes.
arnaud
I was just interested in it as it looks very different from what I have learned.
Sure I can appreciate it, and when one can make a living with it, go for it.
But it is not the style I would like to be able to engrave properly.
Of course my opinion could change during time.
My goal at the moment is very clear to me, don't know if I can make a living with that, but I'm still alive, see what comes.
arnaud
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