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    And thanks everybody else for commenting mdengraver and chujy,

    Is it worth it to get the junky AliExpress yellow handle knockoff gravers set for cheap (being a noob) or should I bite the bullet and go for 10 bucks apiece euro or Japanese made gravers. ?

    Eventually I’d like to engrave on silver, brass and bronze.

    Thanks again for taking the time

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    Silver is easy to cut. It's also quite soft but not nearly as soft as pewter! Many practice cuts would be advised on pewter. Again, pewter is incredibly soft!

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    the actual geometry aint going to matter much until you actually practice a few cuts on different materials. rounds, flats, 90's, onglettes ?? they all have a different feel to them and work in a slightly different manner. the actual chosen shape will depend on the type of designs you intend to engrave. with the correc geometry, a paperclip would do nicely in pewter.
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    http://i.imgur.com/zXGJ716.jpg

    I did a bunch of reading on here and watched some hours of YouTube vids on hobo nickels and have a better idea now, thanks all.

    So I’m practicing freehand no vise on this pewter one inch diameter coin blank. I engraved the outer circle on the rim and made the sun with the 1.5mm wood chisel. Also removed some material in the field between mtn and rim .Then I used a knobby Dremel type bit and smoothed down and removed more material. The plan is to keep the mountain and sun elevated, and add detail to the mtn. And also keep the square center hole and rim elevated above the fields. That’s about it , hope you understand my noob terminology.

    Thinking of this set of Chinese gravers from AliExpress

    http://https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8pcs-Different-Gravers-High-Speed-Steel-For-Jewelry-Engravers/32714754601.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.220.aG4sf2&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10 065_10151_10068_10344_10345_10342_10343_10340_1034 1_10307_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_ 5370017_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10103 _10102_5590020_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051 _10325_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10175_1 0111_10112_10113_10114_5610015_10312_10313_10314_1 0078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_30,ppcSwitch_4&btsid=7a553813-a20e-4dbc-bef1-9149b2178433&algo_expid=bec7d132-a22d-4a49-b912-2ad0db1d51ea-28&algo_pvid=bec7d132-a22d-4a49-b912-2ad0db1d51ea

    Schneikes that’s a long URL
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    Are you going to try just hand push engraving or maybe try traditional hammer and chisel.There are blanks available which can be ground to desired shape and heat treated.

    http://www.comokin.co.jp/shopbrand/004/002/X/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Are you going to try just hand push engraving or maybe try traditional hammer and chisel.There are blanks available which can be ground to desired shape and heat treated.

    http://www.comokin.co.jp/shopbrand/004/002/X/
    For now I’m just going to do hand push I think.

    Thanks for the link!!! That’s what I’ve been looking for, awesome!

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    Most folk on this forum are going to scream, but I am going to go contrary to what folks are going to like to hear in this particular case.

    Your case is different, and these particular Chinese products are not knockoffs of power assisted engraving machines.


    Be aware that you are NOT going to get what is pictured.

    The Valorbe, Antilope and GMT brands are NOT made in China! (Yet, anyway)

    Looks like they just grabbed images from the Internet to illustrate what they are flogging...?


    IF, they are indeed high speed steel - then they should work fine for your purposes.

    Even if they are only carbon steel, they would work for your purposes.

    In actuality, the steel used to make a common nail would work for engraving pewter!


    The Chinese are much maligned for the quality of some of their products - and justly so.

    BUT, I am old enough to remember when exactly the same was said of Japanese products... and look what happened there.

    The Chinese are learning, and they are learning fast.


    I have a half dozen Chinese bench grinders that I paid around $29 ea. for 18 years ago. A similar USA made Black & Decker was $190+ at the time.

    I own one of the Black & Deckers as well. Given a choice I would very definitely buy 6 of the Chinese grinders for the price of one of the old B&Ds.

    They have served me very very well over the years. The B&D is on its last legs... those Chinese grinders are still going strong...


    There ARE Chinese products that are of decent and even superior quality these days. And there are those that are not.

    That will change, as I said, they are learning. Practically every day they are invading a new market. Ours is one of them.

    Given what Sam Alfano stated about seeing 90% of the products in an average hardware store being sourced from China these days - ya'all better get used to figuring out which ones are well made and which are not.

    My advice in your case is gonna be go get the Chinese graver blanks. You are not risking much.

    Do us all a favor and post images of what you really get, (they can't be what is pictured, unless they etch fake brands on them) and let us know how they work for you...


    Brian
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    hi momo-san,

    I wouldn t buy the chinese sh.t!
    If budget, than look for used ones... but good ones!

    https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/categor...BD%AB%E9%87%91

    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p568534939

    look at jewellers toolshops, like okachimachi area in Tokyo.
    Kansai wakaranai!

    ja-matta,
    greetings
    tako
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takoyaki View Post
    hi momo-san,

    I wouldn t buy the chinese sh.t!
    If budget, than look for used ones... but good ones!

    https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/categor...BD%AB%E9%87%91

    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p568534939

    look at jewellers toolshops, like okachimachi area in Tokyo.
    Kansai wakaranai!

    ja-matta,
    greetings
    tako
    Thanks tako, and Brian,

    I saw that set on yahoo auction as well, looks the same as the alibaba pic, wonder if they’re legit as well?

    I think I’ll try the cheap Chinese set , really can’t go wrong for 2000 yen (20bucks) with shipping. And a couple of real gravers . Then when I learn how to use them , maybe I’ll understand how sharpen them and then maybe I can make one. Haven’t been successful so far trying to make one that actually cuts straight, they all skid off the surfac3 and scratch my work. I’ll let you all know how it goes when I get them.

    Thanks much for your help and feel free to critique anything I write, I’m here to learn,

    Momoyama

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    Making graver from scratch out of old files, saw blades and other high carbon steel is not as important as the sharpening of them.

    Your problem of skidding has more to do with what what your point geometry is - as well as acquiring the muscle memory to keep that point at the correct angle to the piece. Your hand is probably not steady yet. Repetition will get you there.


    Brian

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