Help, please: I have a brain freeze can't figure it out

Boomhower · Jan 7, 2016

Hello everyone I have been working on a design to engrave and do some inlay. I have the basic design just can not seem to come up with a way to start the scrolls. I want it to have the banner across the bottom of the cross and turn to scrolls. I have been all over the web I don't have any books on scrolls yet wish I did if someone can give me a idea to turn a banner into a scrolls that wood be awesome.
This is just to practice on I am not saleing this
And my next question is wood I cover the whole design in scrolls or just the bottom half
This will be on a steel practice plate
I have started the inlay .I done the border in copper and my dove is brass I have it cut out
I thank on the cross I will use aluminum
Starting the scroll's has had me down for a week now lol. Thanks for the help
sorry can't get the photo upright lol

monk · Jan 7, 2016

it may be mine is also frozen. your description and drawing kind of leaves me out of this one. good luck in yer quest. i'm not sure i like the idea of an inlay using aluminum. why not try nickel silver ? (aka german silver} as for scroll all over, i think that would be ok. if the top portion is blank--umm, i don't see that as a plus. unless the major theme of your design would call for that. why don't you go ahead with your idea on paper ? that would be a more meaningful basis for a positive reply from the members

Boomhower · Jan 7, 2016

. I just thought of Aluminum cuz I have a hole roll of it I will try and get some nickel silver on order. I did run across a photo of a banner that turns to scroll's it gave me the idea I needed for it I just got to get to drawing now and see if I can get my brain to work
Thanks monk

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

Well I worked on the design a bit I am not good with scrolls at all yet
I have studied Mr. Sams post that Mr.Ken Hunt has shared with us and tried to fined all the photos and info I could to give me a idea to learn. I used to draw a lot untell I got to using the computer. I got woke up a bit going back to a pencil .
I outlined the main parts that I am after I am just not sure how to go about it .I no I need to get me a library of books on scroll's I just can't get them yet . if anyone can point me a bit in the wright way that wood be awesome
I am not selling this design and never will. It is just a way for me to learn scrolls and inlay and bring them together
I sure do thank everyone for the help. :hammer: :drawing:

sorry I tried to flip the photo but it likes it sideways

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

I forgot to say that I like it with the whole background done in scrolls like monk said and I was thanking having them wrap around the cross I just gave up for the night I no there is problems that need fixed on the bottom first

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

Well no sleep for me :beatup: this idea has tock over my brain
I tried it with a oval design I thank it helped out and I run the scrolls different ways I got some mixed up for sure this was just a quick try to see how the over all will look and see if I am heading the wright way
Let me no my problem areas I no I have a long way to go :pencil:

:hammer:
I will start a new one and take my time and try everyone's ideas later today. Thanks for the help

Roger Bleile · Jan 8, 2016

Before you get involved in complex scroll designs you should understand how to draw one good scroll. Unless your scrolls have perfectly concentric backbones, contain nice leaves (not just random bumps and lumps), and make proper transitions from one to another, your design and subsequent engraving will look amateurish.

Below, I have provided a picture of some very basic scrollwork on a shotgun receiver. Pay close attention to how the backbone of each scroll is concentric, without elbows, flat spots, or ovoid shape. Notice the simple but consistent leaves within the spirals and how each scroll flows from each other.

My suggestion to you is to draw one proper scroll and post it here for evaluation. After that, draw a series of about three scrolls flowing from each other, then post that.

It is only my opinion but, I see you getting way ahead of yourself with this design.

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

Thank you very much Roger. I always seem to get ahead of my self I guess I try to hard I will slow down. And study more and practice and do like you said. Thank you for posting the photo I really like that design I have been talking to my family and they are going help me get some books on it. But for now I just have you all and what photos are on the web. Thank you very much. I am putting this pattern away tell I learn it better

Roger Bleile · Jan 8, 2016

Advanced Drawing of Scrolls by Ron Smith is the bible of scroll design. It is the one book to get.
http://www.fega.com/prodserv/Books1.asp?recidparam=251

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

Thank you roger I had not seen that one yet. Thank you sir

atexascowboy2011 · Jan 8, 2016

What does the inscription say ?
IF it is "Beleive" you need to add some letters.

rodsta · Jan 8, 2016

One other thing not mentioned is check your spelling on the banner. I see Belive? Believe?

Rod

Boomhower · Jan 8, 2016

Lol that's some funny stuff I didn't even look at it win I spelled it I was looking at the different font's I feel like a dummy for sure now

atexascowboy2011 · Jan 8, 2016

Hell, you got me doing it !
I before e !

JJ Roberts · Jan 8, 2016

Bommhower,Best learn how to draw the scroll before you think about doing inlays,get Ron's book on scrolls like Roger suggested. J.J.

monk · Jan 9, 2016

Boomhower said:
Well I worked on the design a bit I am not good with scrolls at all yet
I have studied Mr. Sams post that Mr.Ken Hunt has shared with us and tried to fined all the photos and info I could to give me a idea to learn. I used to draw a lot untell I got to using the computer. I got woke up a bit going back to a pencil .
I outlined the main parts that I am after I am just not sure how to go about it .I no I need to get me a library of books on scroll's I just can't get them yet . if anyone can point me a bit in the wright way that wood be awesome
I am not selling this design and never will. It is just a way for me to learn scrolls and inlay and bring them together
I sure do thank everyone for the help. :hammer: sorry I tried to flip the photo but it likes it sideways

this could work with the clear background on the upper right.your scroll -- too many flats, lumps, and misshapen elements. go to google images. type in "log spiral". copy and print one if you're able. this log spiral is to be compared to your scroll. you'll see the difference. the clean spiral is the very beginning of all you want to do. learning to draw is job "one" for anybody wanting to do engraving. not a cliche, but the pencil is mightier than the graver !

monk · Jan 9, 2016

Boomhower said:
. I just thought of Aluminum cuz I have a hole roll of it I will try and get some nickel silver on order. I did run across a photo of a banner that turns to scroll's it gave me the idea I needed for it I just got to get to drawing now and see if I can get my brain to work
Thanks monk

i think you'' find the stuff a bit unforgiving for inlay.

monk · Jan 9, 2016

Boomhower said:
Well no sleep for me :beatup: this idea has tock over my brain
I tried it with a oval design I thank it helped out and I run the scrolls different ways I got some mixed up for sure this was just a quick try to see how the over all will look and see if I am heading the wright way
Let me no my problem areas I no I have a long way to go :hammer:
I will start a new one and take my time and try everyone's ideas later today. Thanks for the help

the oval concept works better for my eye. but as i mentioned-- you gotta do some serious work with the pencil. many newbies avoid confrontations with the pencil. easily done with computers and such. but no computer program will teach you how to draw. get a looseleafand keep all your drawings. date them. in short order you will see your own improvement.. just keep at it.

Boomhower · Jan 10, 2016

Thank you everyone for the help. I will work on the basics and do what I can .untell I can get the books mentioned

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