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    Default Beginner - Novice - Expert

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    Brian Marshall sent me this and I find it really interesting. It was sent to him by a European goldsmith and pertains to professionals, not hobbyists.

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    Beginner takes from 2 to 4 years (a few stay here forever)

    Novice - making the more "complex" mistakes in your work, because now you can (and think you know it all) - 4 to 10 years

    Expert - at least 10-15 years+ (some never make it, even after 30 or 40 years!)

    Over here (in the US) you are an "Expert" or "Professional" in less than 2 years...

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    I will say that when I was in the 4-10 range I thought I knew a lot more than I did. Now in the 35+ year range I realize how much I don't know.

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    Sam, I think a lot of that realizing you don't know everything, comes with age/wisdom.
    "No thing of importance will come without effort".

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    its true, I think in most skilled craft type work. Off topic a bit but related i think my experience. I used to train people to operate Acme-Gridley screw machines. Some could never learn to grind tools, cutoffs, drills etc. a few could catch on & improve. a very few could catch on & excel. the Acme co. told us it would take 3-6 years to get a competent operator, our Co. tried to get in done in 180 days. It ususally failed. I loved that job, learned something new everyday.
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    In Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers he talks about the 10,000 hour principle. If you have the aptitude and drive it takes roughly 10,000 hours to achieve what we as engravers would refer to as a Master level. One of his examples was the Beatles and the years and many hours spent in Germany playing nightclubs to fine tune their act before stardom. Fascinating book.

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    I think it's that way with everything in life for most people. There are some experts in 3 or 4 years like Bill Gates and Farnsworth.

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    I started studying and practicing engraving in '67 (No...not 1867) and have learned just how little I have learned...plus I realize how enjoyable it would be to have another 48 years to double what little I do know. Cannot understand how anyone could possibly be bored with life!!
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    I feel the same as you SAM. There has to be something wrong with people who do nothing and are bored. I can't imagine how a man can live and not have a hobby or build anything.

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    "Over here (in the US) you are an "Expert" or "Professional" in less than 2 years"

    Don't you think there is something wrong with that? In a country with so few engravers (relatively) don't you think that the number of official (FEGA sanction) "Masters" is ridiculously high, don't you think that the standards for such a recognition should be higher and therefore more meaningful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thierry Duguet View Post
    "Over here (in the US) you are an "Expert" or "Professional" in less than 2 years"
    don't you think that the standards for such a recognition should be higher and therefore more meaningful?
    ...Yes....

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